forcing and capping logic?

[bbhrucy79]

hello,

Okay I posted already at bugs but noone cares to answer so I post it here as well,
I have my raw out ratio cap at 1.5 (150%) with existing trades as well as this is the default setting for new signups.

Now, If I force traffic to a new trade, I immediately see it is in the yellow bracket, so looks like the cap applies immediately to new trades?
In which case its not going to force the amount I set...

Right or wrong?

Imho the logic should be that forcing as such should always override all cap settings. Thats why its a force, no?

Thanks,
bbhrucy79

[texpert]

Hi bbrucy,

sorry for a late reply. If u post on a forum and you don't get an answer fast enough ,you can send me a reminder on ICQ, i get instant msgs there on my desktop.

Regarding your issue. Capping has absolute priority over anything else. You should use capping with caution. You should never cap all trades. You must have a very good reason to cap an individual trade. For example, if u set capping rules on all trades (and if u're not careful you can easily set rules too strict), it can affect all of them at once (successive number becomes yellow and they're removed from the owed list). NEVER cap all trades.

When u should use capping anyway? Example: Your average productivity is 1.5 ,but one or two trades have productivity 3.0, which is great, but at the same time you decide you don't want to return them 100% more than to anyone else. You decide that the productivity of the traffic doesn't outweight the fact they're sending you much less visitors in for the same amount of traffic. At that point you can "cap" their productivity with "max prod" capping. Set max prod to 2.0 for these two trades and they'll be getting traffic back as if they had productivity 2.0 instead of 3.0.

Setting ratio cap to 1.5 is for ALL trades is really a bad idea. Traffic trading is relative. Only relation between trades matter. You have to understand that you have X amount of Clk T (trade productive clicks) on your site. And you have to send this X outgoing to your trades. If X is more than what you want to return to your trades, then increase skim value instead and you will have more Clk G instead of Clk T. But again, u have to keep in mind that your site is where it is because you're sending out the whole X amount of Clk T to your trades. IF you will lower that X anyhow, these trades will automatically send you less back. As a chain reaction the amount of traffic you exchange will probably drop. So be careful again.

A general rule you should follow: Default settings are already set for to be optimally effective. You should use special settings only if u have a really good reason for that.

I hope my answer helps you a bit.

Best regards,
Jim

[bbhrucy79]

hello,

Thanks 4 reply. So you are suggesting not to use capping on all trades (not to set a policy in which trades should go?)
I do not want to argue but what my experience is is as below:

I see some trades I have ratio raw very high, even 6-7, so I am sending them 6x 7x the traffic they are sending me... I would say that such a trade is very much not lucrative for me, that is a very very bad deal for me.

Ideally, you should trade with sites that are a good match for your site.

Such sites, or better to say: the trading relation bw two such sites is characterized by the following:

a, High productivity traffic coming in from trade site.
b, Low Ratio Raw towards trade site. (this means that YOUR productivity is good on the remote site. because if your productivity is weak on remote site, your trade script has to send more traffic to balance the lack of quality).

So basically - mutual match - good productivity on both ends - that is how you see it in your trade script.
All my trades that comply with above have high 'value'.

All of the trades - on the other hand - that have very high return ratio (ratio raw) or low productivity, have a poor 'value'.

To sum up: unless the trade is very small, a very high return ratio is a red flag that says: your productivity sucks on the remote site! Or in other words, your traffic is a bad match for the trade sites content.

But I am getting all this way of thinking from another trade script.

So basically if you could point me to a document that explains what the algos are about, like what Value is, would be very helpful.

like: what are the variables that go into the calculation of Value points?

I am interested in the other algos as well.

Unfortunately I cannot display these infos from within the interface - the 'trade types' section as such is something I never managed to find - clicking on it takes me back to the main view..

Thanks

[texpert]

I see some trades I have ratio raw very high, even 6-7, so I am sending them 6x 7x the traffic they are sending me... I would say that such a trade is very much not lucrative for me, that is a very very bad deal for me.

I would have to see this myself to comment on it. If u wanna show me hit me up on ICQ and we can go through it together.

To sum up: unless the trade is very small, a very high return ratio is a red flag that says: your productivity sucks on the remote site! Or in other words, your traffic is a bad match for the trade sites content.

I agree, your traffic could be a bad match and trade won't naturally (without forcing) grow to high volumes. What matters is that u should always look at "value" column, to see if trade is good for you or not. If u have the latest version, hold mouseover "value" column header and u should see how it's calculated.

At this point i would recommend u to trade on the "value" trade type, because it's the most effective and clean way of trading.

We will be adding some additional documentation and tips soon.

best regards,
Jim

[bbhrucy79]

hey,

I greatly appreciate that! Okay, next time I am online lets chat a bit, I show you the site, etc, Thanks!

Regards,
Balint